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From: PascalLamy  Staff 12/14/2005 4:37 am 
To: ALL  (1 of 24) 
 2115.1 

Hi, or Nei Ho as they say here in Cantonese or Nin Hau in Mandarin.

Today is THE day: opening of the conference. Up early and a quick jog to prepare for the first long day. The news reports on TV show me dashing around all day yesterday meeting various groups. I know it was worth it. But today it’s time to focus on official business as delegations continue to arrive.

I don’t think it's just the jet lag that makes me feel the day is moving on fast forward, and here I am sitting with representatives of the G20, this new force in the multilateral system which includes Brazil, India, China and other developing countries. Their main worry is to ensure cuts to agricultural subsidies which distort trade. We have already moved a long way on this issue since we launched the talks in 2001. Next the Ministers from the Caribbean region tell me about their concerns on small economies and islands; they argue that a one-size-fits-all WTO is not possible. Afterwards, sitting in my office for a quick cup of coffee before the next step, I spot a boat with a big “For when trade justice?” painted on the sails. But, whose trade justice?

By now I’ve got butterflies in my stomach, like a runner waiting for the starting gun. I’m told there are about 11,000 men and women gathering for the opening ceremony and I remind myself that is still less than for the New York marathon. It is an impressive sea of colours as delegates stand at the opening. My main message to delegates was that we do not have a magic wand to solve our difficulties: only boldness and courage. Just as I was saying that the WTO is a pretty democratic institution, a group of NGOs started chanting anti-WTO slogans in the middle of the ceremony while a group of Korean farmers jumped into the sea to swim towards the conference centre.... any doubts about the openness of the organization? I could not stop thinking of the many contradictions around us: two thirds of the delegates inside the building want a more open trade in agriculture while the many farmers protesting in the streets and grabbing news headlines demand exactly the contrary: a closure of the markets to agricultural products. The sails of the boat come back to my mind, whose trade justice? Part of the gulf which exists in public perception over what the WTO is and is not. Clearly there is much room for improvements in communication.

This is what I try at my first press conference. Over 3000 journalists around, hungry for news. As I told them, I think we can make a step forward in Hong Kong, provided Ministers are ready to take some risks. And this is what I tell a group of Ministers I meet in the evening. Will they do it? Stay tuned.



Edited 12/14/2005 8:04 am by PascalLamy
 
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From: rsancheti  12/14/2005 8:59 am 
To: ALL  (2 of 24) 
 2115.2 in reply to 2115.1 

"Trade Justice"
Whose trade justice? A crucial question, Mr. Lamy.
However, I attribute more importance to the question of "what". Its been 10 years since WTO is operative. I live in India, I am a law student, I did not find things improving as they were supposed to have. TRIPS has been obligated on me, however where is the opening of the Services Market. And there are so many more things, towards achieving the ends of "trade justice". Agricultural Subsidies given by Developed members are still killing markets in Developing and LDC members.
I am keeping my fingers crossed for the success of the HKM, because it would take us a step ahead in liberalisation. However I still am not sure if that would be in any way furthering "trade justice".

regards,
Rishabh Sancheti
5th Year, BBA-LLB
National Law University
India



Edited 12/14/2005 9:01 am by rsancheti
 
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From: Adil DIANI (asdil)  12/14/2005 10:06 am 
To: PascalLamy  (3 of 24) 
 2115.3 in reply to 2115.1 

Dear Mr Pascal,

        You are in the right way for success, the Members have to take their responsabilities toward theirs populations and proof that more trade mean more development and less poorest people, ..etc.

        I don't imagine a world trade system without rules (including exceptions) and some kind of organization in trade transaction between countries.

        Now, the issue is how can the developing country and LDC's percept these signals of opening markets and used to improve their economy in general. because of several facts, these countries doesn't adopt the right trade policy according to the needs of theirs populations but for themselves.

        In my opinion, growth wil never happen by a closed or protected market, but by exchanging goods and services.

Good trips for success Mr Lamy

 
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From: carveg  12/14/2005 4:23 pm 
To: PascalLamy  (4 of 24) 
 2115.4 in reply to 2115.1 

Estimado Señor Lamy:

Respecto de que entendemos por "comercio justo" es necesario realizar dos aclaraciones.
En primer lugar, debemos entender el "comercio" como cualquier transacción de bienes o servicios, ya sea entre países o entre personas.
En segundo lugar, se entiende por algo "justo" cualquier cosa que sea equitativa para todos, en este sentido, se entendería como algo equitativo para los 149 Miembros que desde ayer tiene la OMC.
En este sentido y dado los muchos temas bajo negociación, no es justo pretender apertura en servicios y bienes no agrícolas, sin pretender apertura en bienes agrícolas.
Es por esto, que por mas que la OMC pregone la cuestión del desarrollo y de las preocupaciones de los PMAs y PEDs, estas pierden todo sentido cuando éstos países se enfrentan a los mercados de los países desarrollados sin ningun tipo de acceso real y efectivo; y esto es lo que ocurre con la agricultura, donde los PEDs y PMAs tienen su fortaleza exportadora.
Entonces se entendería por un comercio justo aquel comercio en donde todos (los PDs, los PEDs y los PMAs) tenemos las mismas posibilidades y los mismos beneficios en las diferentes areas de negociación. Por ejemplo, si los PDs tienen su potencial exportador en bienes industriales y en servicios, y por ende, pretenden la apertura de estos dos sectores; si esto ocurriera es porque esos mismos países han otorgado a los PEDs lo que pretenden en el sector agrícola, esto es mayor acceso a mercados, reducción de las ayudas internas y eliminación de los subsidios a la exportación. Y esto sí sería una forma de "comercio justo"

Por un COMERCIO realemente JUSTO. Exitos en la VI Conferecia Ministerial

 
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From: MarkK (HarmonyImpor)  12/14/2005 6:04 pm 
To: PascalLamy  (5 of 24) 
 2115.5 in reply to 2115.1 

Dear Mr. Lamy:

I am very impressed by your candor.  Please keep it up!

Justice - In the United States, justice is symbolized by a blindfolded figure hold scales.  This symbol seems appropriate for the WTO as well since justice will be the balancing of the many demands and considerations of the members.  It needs to be blindfolded to reduce, ideally eliminate, the influences of who is making the arguments.

To speak metaphorically, yet again, the WTO is a sailboat with you at its helm.  You must navigate the boat through the stormy seas of national self-interest, and adjust course to allow for the tides and currents of history.  If you succeed, you will eventually reach your destination.

I wish to you the energy and strength to persevere.  May you have the wind to your back.

Sincerely,

Mark Kleinschmidt

 

Trade in Harmony for the Benefit of all.

 
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From: Chaimke  12/16/2005 12:51 pm 
To: PascalLamy  (6 of 24) 
 2115.6 in reply to 2115.1 

"I spot a boat with a big “For when trade justice?” painted on the sails. 

Pascal, I didn't notice that one. I was wondering whether you might be referring to the big blue sail on the Chinese junk that read "When will the poor start getting richer"

Chaim

Hong Kong

 
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From: PascalLamy  Staff 1/31/2006 9:27 am 
To: rsancheti  (7 of 24) 
 2115.7 in reply to 2115.2 

I can understand your scepticism about the eventual effect of our work at the WTO. There is certainly nothing that guarantees that market opening, liberalization and globalization will deliver "trade justice".  Nor will the WTO alone be able to achieve that aim. But I certainly believe that we have an important role to play, with other international organizations, to ensure that fairness and justice are the basis for global governance.

 

PL

 
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From: PascalLamy  Staff 1/31/2006 9:28 am 
To: Adil DIANI (asdil) unread  (8 of 24) 
 2115.8 in reply to 2115.3 

Can't agree more that trade requires rules agreed to by all the players, as opposed to a system of power relationships where everyone suffers from the absence of fairness and balance. WTO is about one member, one vote, whether big or small, strong or weak. Surely not perfect but not bad when you compare to other international organizations.

PL

 
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From: PascalLamy  Staff 1/31/2006 9:29 am 
To: MarkK (HarmonyImpor)  (9 of 24) 
 2115.9 in reply to 2115.5 

Thank you for your good wishes.  I am very impressed by the encouragement of people like you and  I fully intend to bring this boat to its destination, although you have to recognize that I am not the captain steering the boat ...... because this  boat has 150 captains, and I am more like the compass pointing the way through a sometimes foggy sea.

 

PL

 
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From: PascalLamy  Staff 1/31/2006 9:30 am 
To: Chaimke unread  (10 of 24) 
 2115.10 in reply to 2115.6 

Same boat. Different sail. Same message.

 

PL

 
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From: MarkK (HarmonyImpor)  1/31/2006 9:44 pm 
To: PascalLamy  (11 of 24) 
 2115.11 in reply to 2115.9 

I suspect that your role is more like that of a navigator/helmsman with 150 captains.  You recommend the course, persuade those in need of persuasion, compromise with those in need of such, and still have the responsibility of keeping the ship off the rocks.  The passengers, those of us who simply get to watch and, maybe, have some influence with one of the captains, are grateful for your steady and skillful hand.

MarkK

 

Trade in Harmony for the Benefit of all.

 
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From: Free8Fair  2/2/2006 5:04 pm 
To: PascalLamy  (12 of 24) 
 2115.12 in reply to 2115.10 
2156.1 

Dear Pascal Lamy

Your candour, sincerity and openess have inspired hope in many, as many messages posted on your Hong Kong diary so eloquently testify.

2006 is a year, no doubt, in which you want to build on these foundations of hope. You will, of course, be painfully aware of how easily these foundations of hope could be destroyed.

It is a wonderful moment for you to confirm how strong these foundations of candour, sincerity and openess are. An answer to the question first asked of you, in this forum on December 13th 2005, would be a great start to 2006. An answer would reconfirm the fine qualities that have won many hearts around the world.

Here is the question again; 

Do you recognise the free and fair international trade of ecosystem services?

Ignoring this question could, over time, completely destroy your fine reputation. Why? Because ignoring this question, so the scientists tell us, could ultimately destroy us all.  

 
 
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From: jgc6  2/6/2006 2:55 pm 
To: Free8Fair  (13 of 24) 
 2115.13 in reply to 2115.12 

the issue of trade in any service, environmental or ecological services included, is decided by the individual member governments. It is their choice to make on whether or not this type of services trade will take place with their national market. The WTO encourages trade in all eligible areas of services, but again the decision-making power for this rests with individual member governments. As a matter of principle, most people would be in favor of any trade which benefits the environment on which we all depend, and which is a legacy for all of us.

 
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From: Free8Fair  2/7/2006 3:06 pm 
To: jgc6  (14 of 24) 
 2115.14 in reply to 2115.13 

Thank you for your comments, and most particularly for saying,

'As a matter of principle, most people would be in favor of any trade which benefits the environment on which we all depend, and which is a legacy for all of us.'

You also comment that,

'the issue of trade in any service, environmental or ecological services included, is decided by the individual member governments'

The following decisions have already been agreed by member countries.

The WTO ‘has broadbased responsibility covering all areas of the multilateral trading system - including services.'

the WTO is bound to allow 'the optimal use of the world's resources .......seeking both to preserve and protect the environment..'

the WTO is committed to the 'elimination of dicriminatory treatment in international trade'  (It is also generally the richer countries of the world who are net consumers of ecosystem services.)

the WTO is bound to 'ensure that...the least developed...secure a share in the growth in international trade commensurate with the needs of their economic development' ('It is the world's poorest people who suffer most from ecosystem changes” - UNEP MA 2005.

Pascal Lamy's silence on this subject is deeply troubling. He has after all indicated, through this diary for example, his willingness to have a dialogue and to reach out to the people's of the world.

Is he frightened? but what could be more frightening than the end of life on our world?

If nothing else an answer would help to stop speculation about his reasons for remaining silent.

On what basis is the WTO failing to fulfil the decisions above which have been agreed by member countries?

 
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From: MarkK (HarmonyImpor)  2/10/2006 6:40 pm 
To: Free8Fair  (15 of 24) 
 2115.15 in reply to 2115.14 

First, let me state that I have no relationship with the WTO and that I do not know Mr. Lamy personally, professionally, or by any means other than his postings here on this forum.

I doubt very much that Mr. Lamy is frightened of anything.  He can't be and do his job as well as he does it.  I can understand why he may not be interested in a discourse with you.  An individual that presents an idea as zealously as you have here does not allow much room for discussion.  By avoiding a discussion with you, he avoids a corner.  Corners are not very effective places to negotiate from.

Secondly, your approach may not be the most effective as Mr Lamy is not in a position to enforce the policies you mentioned.  A much more fruitful tact would be to work on your national government to have them present and champion your cause.  If your national government is not willing to take up your banner, then maybe you need to review how you are presenting yourself and it.

Finally, there are many competing interests and issues that need to be balanced.  Environmental issues among them.  Please do not interpret my comment as saying that your issue is not valid or important, it is just that it is not the only one that is valid and important.

MarkK

 

Trade in Harmony for the Benefit of all.

 
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From: Free8Fair  2/12/2006 2:16 pm 
To: MarkK (HarmonyImpor)  (16 of 24) 
 2115.16 in reply to 2115.15 

Thank you for taking the time to give advice on what you consider to be the most effective methods of achieving concrete results on the question of the trade of ecosystem services. Circumstances, of course, determine which method, or methods, are the most appropriate.

So what are the circumstances?

Following several decades of warnings about global warming, and warnings about the serious damage being done to the environment, last year the United Nations published the most comprehensive and authoritative global Environmental Assessment report ever made. (UNEP MA)The language of the report was generally very diplomatic, though the message was chilling.

‘..we rely completely on the services it (nature) delivers’ (UNEP MA) Undiplomatically put; Nature is our life support system. Without it we will all die.

‘Human activity is putting such strain on the natural functions of Earth that the ability of the planet’s ecosystems to sustain future generations can no longer be taken for granted.’ (UNEP MA)Undiplomatically put; Our current situation is unsustainable. If we don’t mend our ways, we will all die.

Nearly two thirds of the services provided by nature to humankind are found to be in decline worldwide.’ (UNEP MA)Undiplomatically put; Two thirds of our life support system is not working properly, and its getting worse.

‘Nature’s services is unlikely to be a priority so long as they are perceived to be free and limitless by those using them—effective policies will be those that require natural costs to be taken into account for all economic decisions.’ (UNEP MA) Undiplomatically put; We must make fundamental global alterations to our economic systems, so that the full value of nature’s services are always included.

It would seem that the United Nations, for one reason or another chose to be diplomatic about what is in reality, the starkest, most uncompromising and terrifying message the world has ever had to face. No doubt they felt it was with good reason. No doubt they hoped, or trusted, that the world’s decision makers would listen to sense, and that being blunt would, or could, be counterproductive..

So to date what has this appeal to good sense achieved?

We are all better informed and more aware of the problems, politicians around the world (including the WTO) take global warming and environmental degradation much more seriously, the Kyoto Protocol has survived, there is the EU carbon trading system and ecosystem services are being given value, in pockets, all over the world. Not a bad track record you might say. Unfortunately the scientists have a completely different view. Experts say that even if we meet the Kyoto Protocol targets, and that seems extremely unlikely, these targets are 20 times too little. Yes, that is 20 times too little. We are also informed by the scientists that we are at a tipping point. Once we have passed that tipping point we will have moved into a chaotic phase whose endpoint is unknown, but on which Professor Stephen Hawking , one of the world’s leading physicists, comments

'We could end up like Venus, covered in clouds and with a surface temperature of 400°C

So let’s convert the complexity of the messages from the scientists, often couched in diplomatic language which cushions us from the terrifying content. Let’s put them simply and directly so that we can all understand the risk that we are all facing.

Imagine you and your family are on a bus racing straight towards a huge full fuel tank. The driver has said he’s noticed, but he isn’t doing very much. He’s still going straight towards it, and he‘s still going far far too fast. There’s going to be the most horrible accident unless he rams on the brakes now. You and your family, along with everybody else stands to die……..

There are those amongst the passengers, expert drivers, who have calmly and clearly pointed out the danger to the driver, but the driver is still going far far too fast. It’s perfectly clear that if the driver does not ram on the brakes now it could well be too late.

We are all on that bus. Repeatedly, the scientists have informed us, and the driver (he represents the world‘s leaders including Pascal Lamy) of the danger. But the driver seems to be frozen at the steering wheel. Is it a moment for more discreet messages to the driver couched in diplomatic language? It won‘t do any harm, but it would seem extremely unlikely it‘s going to be effective enough in time.

Considering the risk, is it a moment to make the message more direct, and to give it more volume, more passion, to shout even? It may offend some sensibilities, but if the decision makers of the world are in denial, or if they are bewildered or hiding from the facts, or if they are frozen not knowing what to do, don’t we, the passengers, have a responsibility to our families, to ourselves, to life itself, to snap the decision makers out of their stasis?

The challenge of global warming faces all the peoples of the world. It is, at one and the same time, a force that can destroy us all. It is also a force that can unite all of the peoples of the world, and this at a time when the peoples of the world desperately need uniting.

We are facing humanity’s ultimate test. None of us, including Pascal Lamy, chose to be alive at this defining moment. We’re all in a corner together. The sooner we all face that, and recognise the risk assessment, the greater the chance that we will rise to the challenge.

Pascal Lamy has the unenviable task of being the key player. Let’s hope your confidence in his courage is not misplaced. Let’s hope that behind closed doors he is doing everything that is necessary. Let’s hope his silence is precisely because he is using the presentation techniques you espouse, and that they are getting results as speedily as required. But until there is definite evidence of this it is surely our responsibility to do all we reasonably can to ensure the future of our families, ourselves, and life on this earth. And if that means shouting, ‘ram on the brakes’, recognise the free and fair international trade of ecosystem services now, so be it.

Global warming has the power to ‘halt the march of civilisation as we know it….and make the other efforts we’re making irrelevant and impossible…. It is a time when our common humanity is more important than our differences.’ So said former President Clinton just a short time ago on 28/1/2006 at the World Economic forum in Davos, Switzerland.

Let’s pray that your confidence in Pascal Lamy is not misplaced. It is true. It is pure chance that he finds himself where he is at this moment of history. It is pure chance that any of us are alive at this time. The fact is, we are. We must rise to the challenge or perish. He must speak out, he must lead. The WTO must recognise the free and fair international trade of ecosystem services, now.

 
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From: MarkK (HarmonyImpor)  2/13/2006 2:29 am 
To: Free8Fair  (17 of 24) 
 2115.17 in reply to 2115.16 

If all is as you describe, and that is not a foregone conclusion, then Pascal Lamy is not who you need to be talking to.  Other than being the leader of the organization within the WTO that is charged with the responsibility to carry out the wishes of the council of ministers, he can do little more than present the problem and try to convince the ministers to take it seriously.  Mind you I don't want to make him sound total incapable of ingluencing the direction of the WTO, but the fact is the decision is not his, but is that of the members.

You have totally avoided the issue of your efforts to convince the individual member govts to takeup your cause.

MarkK

 

Trade in Harmony for the Benefit of all.

 
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From: Free8Fair  2/13/2006 3:36 pm 
To: MarkK (HarmonyImpor)  (18 of 24) 
 2115.18 in reply to 2115.17 

The terrifying message about global warming is being repeated again and again, loudly and clearly, by scientists from all over the world. You may of course choose to disagree with them, but where the fate of the human race is at stake it is perhaps wise to listen to these experts, and for us all to take a precautionary position.

As regards the relevance of talking to Pascal Lamy, he himself has said, he is like a compass for the WTO. He has the influence to point the WTO in a direction.

It is also surely his duty as Director General to point out to members the obligations they have under existing agreements.

As to your last point, much work has and is being done communicating the seriousness of the situation to member governments, and the necessity of the WTO fulfilling its obligations by recognising the free and fair international trade of ecosystem services.

 
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From: SydMartin  2/13/2006 4:15 pm 
To: Free8Fair  (19 of 24) 
 2115.19 in reply to 2115.18 

Free&Fair,

Keep up your vigilance. I though I would provide the below link to an article by Dr. David Suzuki which you and others who frequent this forum may find interesting. My experience is that one who ignores sound scientific advice like a doctor's warning to a patient does so at their own risk. However, in the case of global warming the risk goes beyond the "one".

Syd Martin

 

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/about_us/Dr_David_Suzuki/Article_Archives/weekly02100601.asp

 
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From: Free8Fair  2/14/2006 1:19 pm 
To: SydMartin  (20 of 24) 
 2115.20 in reply to 2115.19 

Thank you, once again.

There’s nothing new about making the messengers suffer because of bad news, the scientists in this case, and then putting pressure on them to produce more ‘favourable’ news.

It goes without saying, of course, that the best hope of making the best decisions is determined by the accuracy and completeness of the information available. Hiding from the facts, or trying to manipulate or confuse the facts, is desperately counterproductive.

In the case of global warming, it could determine whether our world survives or not.

‘…the living machinery of Earth has a tendency to move from gradual to catastrophic change with little warning.’ the United Nations EP MA 2005

Any delays, however caused, could be fatal to our world. We need action on an appropriate scale, and we really do need it now.

Immediate recognition of the free and fair international trade of ecosystem services by the WTO, is our best hope.

 
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