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A couple of points, if I may...
Trying to equate the media coverage given Tiger Woods, Matt Every, and Lucas Glover as each went through his own "personal problems" is just not realistic. Let's be honest. Granted, Tiger has been treated differently by the media, but there'a reason for that. Rightly or wrongly, NOBODY could care less about Every and Glover, but EVERYONE is interested in Tiger. Given the circumstances, who's the media going to try to crucify? Yup, Tiger.
As for Haney, it's quite obvious that you hate the guy's guts, so I don't think it's unfair to say that you can't possibly be objective here. To be perfectly honest, I have never seen Haney's wife, but I'm not sure where she fits into this whole issue. When the book does come out, I probably will buy it, if for no other reason that to see what the fuss is all about. I still contend that Haney's no idiot, and I have no reason to believe that he's made anything up. The fact that Jaime Diaz, a very respected golf writer and editor-in-chief of Golf World magazine, co-wrote the book definitely lends credibility to the project.
I'm not sure why Phil has been brought into this discussion, but the FIGJAM thing is pretty much old news. If you Google FIGJAM, can you find anything there that more recent than 2006? There's no question that some (you mention nobody by name) players on tour think Phil's a bit of a phony, but he's got his share of friends out there, as well, including Hunter Mahan, Darren Clarke, Billy Mayfair, Keegan Bradley, Scott Verplank, and Chris DeMarco, to name a handful.
It would be nice if everyone were treated equally, but that will never happen. The media will always focus in on those whose stories will generate the greatest interest. That's as true in the world of music, movies, and entertainment in general as it is in sports, including golf. It may not be fair, but it's the way it is. As long as Tiger is actively involved in the game he'll generate more interest and notoriety than probably everyone else put together. As someone we both know repeats over and over and over, Tiger Woods is the #1 golfer in the world...and with that comes intense media scrutiny.
Thanks again for the thoughtful and passionate presentation of your argument. I'm sure we'll talk again.
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Just to answer as best as I can, I know and realize that is how the media world works.  However, it does not make it right.  Matt Every is an unknown - we agree but the fact that there was criminal activity with 3 members charged bothers me that TGC or media would not be AS concerned about this, considering the PGA always flies the banner of a "Gentlemen's Club."  If true investigative journalism was done on this story, wouldn't you agree that it would be a "catch" for any journalist to break wide open the myth that Golf has portrayed.  It disgusted me that what was more important to Faldo was that Matt Every get a publicist rather than state this will taint our reputation.  So, Matt Every's story was an example.  Just as Phil's was, to expose that there is an inequality in reporting - Tiger has a bad attitude, Phil's collegues claim the same.  Apples and Apples. 

Please don't presume that I hate anyone, I did not say that.....I implied that there is more to the story regarding Hank than meets the eye and that he has already lied about two instances that he put in his book, that has been on video.  So, it begs the question, what in it is true?  It makes me question does he deserve respect.  I don't hate anyone but certainly have the right to hate their behavior. 

This is the problem with the newcomers on this board and part of the reason that people get testy with them.  We have been on this board answering the same questions you are asking for over 2 years now.  And as a caucasion, my belief, my opinion, the PGA and TGC certainly have ridden Tiger's coattails but never really liked the fact that a person of color was the best Golfer in the world.  IMO, if the same thing happened to Phil, it would have been similiar to Matt Every's or Lucas Glover's coverage of it.  

So, what I'm saying to you is that Tiger's fans have been battered, sent repulsive emails with personal attacks and are not only weary of answering the same questions over and over only to once again explain our positions but leary of newcomers as well.  I am a fan of Tiger, I have stated I did not approve of his ACTIONS but I don't rely on any of them to be or set examples for anyone's child or the sport.  If the PGA doesn't approve of someone's private, personal actions, whomever they are.......kick them down the road but do it to all of them.  But of course we both know that they won't because Tiger is still the biggest draw around the world and it is all about $$$$$.  In all sincerity, your post about how the world works is a lecture that I have heard, been called names over, merely because I won't give up praying that this ultra-talented man be given the respect he is due for his golf just as they would for any other golfer who has stumbled.  And I am only assuming here that you follow or play golf yourself so regardless of the celebrity pull the man up as they did Faldo, Norman and Watson.  They have one thing in common, they are not people of color and in their time, they were the celebrities.   Where is the outcry just from last year when Phil cussed so loud on a par three you could hear it sitting near the green or when Tom Watson last year used the Lord's name in vain to quickly before the cameras could pan away.  Bottom line, this goes on with many that are at or near the top yet it is more important to talk about Tiger running to the porta-potty.  A real injustice done last year at the Bridgestone was not that Adam Scott was covered first but that Williams was......Adam Scott won the tournament, all it takes is putting one foot in front of the other, one step at a time and we can drive the media in the direction it should go.  No other sport has held onto something so long on one person than golf, not even the NFL where a player served time for criminal activity.  In those sports, no matter the ethnicity, they pay for their infractions commensurate with the crime.  There was no crime committed here so let's all take that step and require or at the least cover golf.  If TGC quit making Tiger the headline, no matter what he does, the story of Tiger would be when he hoists a trophy.  When Haney's book comes out, I will not buy it because I won't know what is a lie, his words, videos certainly don't lie.  And I'll leave you with this, 2 years ago the members that were on this site were disappointed and stated so, you just weren't here and even that, no one can be sure of because there have been many that have been booted of only to come back with another username.  I am not accusing YOU of that, but after a few posts, those returnees are easily identified. 

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I just love how Haney tries to paint the picture of everyone around Tiger being innocent and perfect, but yet mentioning every negative thing about Tiger he could think of. I do find it interesting how people associated with The Golf Channel can write books trashing Tiger, but still be allowed to appear on the network.
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After Woods won the 2005 Buick Invitational, his first stroke-play victory in nearly 16 months and his first with Haney as his coach, Nordegren wanted to celebrate. She pointed out that when she was a nanny for Jesper Parnevik, his family would hold a party whenever Parnevik won. Woods responded: “E, that’s not what we do. I’m not Jesper. We’re supposed to win.”

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This part does not make any sense. Tiger won two stroke play tournaments in November and December of 2004.

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My two cents - most of the excerpts I've read that are derogatory about Tiger seem to be Haney's "interpretation" of what Tiger thought or felt, not actual facts that he can support.    And some of the stuff is just plain silly.  If he was so intimidated by Tiger that, as a guest in his home, he was afraid to ask for a friggin' popsicle, how in the world could he be his instructor in the first place?

In my opinion, this book sounds like a "stream of conciousness" reflection on his days in the sun, filled with gossip and his take on Tiger's innermost thoughts.   Heck, most of us could write a similar book without every meeting Tiger, based on what we've read, heard, and observed over the past 30 years and it would be just as accurate.

Whatever Haney's purpose was in writing this junk, anyone who doesn't think it's at least partly a money-grab......well, I wish I saw the world through your rosecolored glasses.   LOL

 

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This book will probably be on sale for  .99 cent in April !! Sad, what road Hank has gone down too!!!!
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I'll try to be brief. First, I apologize to you for my comment that you "hate Hank Haney's guts". It was a poor choice of words. Let it suffice to say that you're not one of his biggest fans, and we'll leave it at that. I would still contend that a respected journalist like Jaime Diaz would not attach himself to a project that is as lacking in veracity as you suggest this is. There could indeed be more to this story than meets the eye, but I'm confident that will come to light if warranted.
Again, I don't disagree that media scrutiny should be more evenly distributed, but we're both dreaming if we think that'll happen. Nobody cares about Matt Every. For that matter few, other than those who follow the PGA Tour closely, have ever heard of him. On the other hand, when the #1 sports figure on the planet gets involved in the mess that Tiger did, it's nothing less than a feeding frenzy, to say the least. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.
You make an interesting point regarding the race issue, and you're probably right about that. I'm sure the PGA Tour has been less than ecstatic over the years that the best player in the world was not a Caucasian. I do, however, respectfully disagree with your assertion that, if the events of November 2009 had involved Phil M. rather than Tiger, that the coverage would have different. It goes back to the fact that, like Tiger, everyone knows who Phil is. TMZ and all of the other tabloid outlets would have been all over it, maybe even worse than with Tiger, due to Phil's goody-goody reputation.
I wish I had more time to spend here right now, but work calls. Later...
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well haney isn't certainly going to help tiger by it, for sure, even if everything he says about tiger is true.

so tiger isn't the perfect gentleman. did he ever claim to be? all we, as fans and casual observers, can reasonably expect of him, strictly happens on the golf course. how he treated haney, his wife, or other tour players has no bearing on how he hits a golf shot.

if it somehow makes you feel better about yourself to know such things, then by all means buy the book. then consider yourself the same person reading the book as haney is in writing it, especially if you feel it is your duty to share it with the rest of the world as haney has done.


Edited 3/18/12   by  twitb71
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I am definitely with Paddy on this issue.  There have been many world famous black athletes in other fields who have been involved in worse things than Tiger's infidelities when it comes to women and the media talks about it for a few days and moves on.  The only athlete in the world who has taken the barrage of criticism and unending media bashing for 2-1/2 years is Tiger and I too believe it is totally racist because it is the world of golf.  And I am not an African-American male, but a Caucasian woman and I still believe this to be true.   President Clinton's nonsense with Monica Lewinsky didn't go on for 2-1/2 years in the media nor did any of the other politicians who were proven to be philanderers - they came on the news with or without their wives, apologized, either resigned from their position or didn't and it was over. Even now whenever they talk about Tiger's current game, they more often than not preface it with "since the scandal".   If Phil had been caught having these affairs, it would have been talked about for a few days and then it would have been over believe me.  I heard Phil say "Aw s_ _t" on camera during the last tournament -- nobody even mentioned it -- if it had been Tiger they would have been all over it like white on rice.  And, in my personal opinion, any coach of an athlete who writes this type of a book is doing it a) hoping to make a windfall of money since it is about Tiger or b) because he works for TGC and is helping to move their bash Tiger routine.  And I have no more respect for the person who actually wrote the book than I do for Hank - this is like The Enquirer in hardcover mode.  Just my opinion.
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Very well stated Kloudy. I am in total agreement with both yourself and Paddy on this book and the RACIST overtones which have dogged Tiger throughout his entire career. And I also agree that had this same scandal happened to Phil we would have heard about it for a few weeks and then it would have all blown over since Phil is a member of the "good old boys club" that is golf. And I too am a 61 year old Caucasian grandmother and I feel this way. Probably more than any other reason this is why I want Tiger to wallop Jack's record.

The hypocritical delusion that golf is a gentlemen's game is just that---a delusion. I would suspect that each and every current and past member of the PGA has some skeleton lurking in their closet which they would really prefer never saw the light of day. I mean these guys are human after all. They are not saints as TGC and the PGA would have us believe. Well all of them except of course Tiger (sarcasm). And Hank Haney and Jaime Diaz have now joined the ranks of SLIME. Both of them are on video as stating that this book was about Tiger's golf game. And of course we all now know that this is a giant load of GARBAGE as we all suspected it would be. I hope this is the end of Hank Haney and that I have never have to see his back stabbing face again!

GO TIGER! BEAT 18!!!!!!!