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The WTO after ten years

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From: WTOadmin  4/19/2005 5:24 pm 
To: ALL  (1 of 29) 
 1.1 

Foreword  by the Chairman of the Consultative Board, Peter Sutherland

 

"We have been motivated by a common conviction that the WTO in its creation and substance is one of the greatest achievements in multilateralism and stands as testimony to the capacity of the world community of nations to undertake substantial obligations and legal responsibilities that foster interdependence.

"So globalization has created both the opportunity and the challenge. The intensification of competition in trade matters broadly defined is both inevitable and is evidenced by new and positive dynamics for growth. The institution that in significant respects protects this potential is not by any means fully equipped for its tasks. There is a real need for institutional reforms to, and increased support for, the WTO."

 
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From: AElemary  4/20/2005 3:24 pm 
To: WTOadmin unread  (2 of 29) 
 1.2 in reply to 1.1 
What do you think about thousands of millions of people who cannot feed themselves. Did globalization helps these people? What about Africa. Could you give me a good example of any African country who managed to apply the free market economy and managed to get outof poverty. The answer is NO THERE IS NOT. Do you know how much money are spent on weaponary and an war each year? The answer is yes you do, but we cannot do anything about it can we? More wars and areas of tension are growing each day. Trade can be and is a good means to start to have less areas of tensions in this world. Yet, the powerful manipulates the weak and the wealthy enslaves the poor. Of course we cannot stay paralized. Each one has a responsibility to undertake and trade alone cannot change these facts but its a good start for a long journey which can hopefully end up with peace for all mankind. So good luck in your mission which extends far beyond trade.
 
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From: gmena  4/20/2005 4:22 pm 
To: AElemary  (3 of 29) 
 1.3 in reply to 1.2 

WTO will get all itīs goals when developed countries open their markets to poor nationīs products. If they do that, WTO will gon on with success, if not, I donīt think WTO can go on representing a fair multilateral forum.

 

 
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From: ariane121  4/20/2005 4:43 pm 
To: gmena  (4 of 29) 
 1.4 in reply to 1.3 
There is a wider problem here - some developing countries don't want developed countries to open up their markets to goods from the least developed countries because of the advantage that it will give them. This is particularly true in the fields of textiles and agriculture. I wonder if anyone on this forum has any thoughts about this? Ari
 
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From: JanHHoeffler  4/20/2005 4:44 pm 
To: AElemary  (5 of 29) 
 1.5 in reply to 1.2 
AElemary, you are powerful, too. You can convince others to engage in fair trade rather than wars. I agree with you that trade matters cannot be managed isolated from other world affairs. In my eyes after some WTO members' governments broke international law with a war of aggression trade negotiations have become much more difficult because it has become more difficult to trust each other's respect for international rules. Here in Berlin I have already seen several stickers and posters asking people to join the resistance in Iraq. I am glad to see now a forum asking people to engage in the more fruitful fight consisting of dialogue.
 
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From: politstud  4/20/2005 4:55 pm 
To: WTOadmin unread  (6 of 29) 
 1.6 in reply to 1.1 

In order not to perpetuate poverty and inequality we have to evaluate the performance of all the international organizations, UN, WTO, IMF and the World Bank, and see how the structure of power entangles all these organizations. It is important to note the poor countries' powerlessness when it comes to negotiating good deals for themselves in the WTO, when they face reprisals in the other organizations as punishment for not falling into line with the powerful members of the WTO. This is a real and important problem in the WTO today.

 
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From: elly123  4/20/2005 6:17 pm 
To: ariane121  (7 of 29) 
 1.7 in reply to 1.4 
The problem here is that  a lot of developing and least developed countries can not life up to the high standards that developed countries impose on goods originating from the poor countries

Edited 4/20/2005 6:24 pm by elly123
 
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From: abs (MDCe8)  4/20/2005 7:24 pm 
To: WTOadmin unread  (8 of 29) 
 1.8 in reply to 1.1 
If we tried to analyze global economy the G7 posted substantial economic growth in business environment, the poor nations suffered tremendously of the present concept of investment strategy without reforming fundamental issue of levelling the field of the global wealth to infuse direct investment to less privilege nations. If the WTO remain inaction toward this issue business environment will not move forward . Problem of mass poverty will continue to increase. I think so..........
 
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From: ariane121  4/20/2005 8:07 pm 
To: elly123  (9 of 29) 
 1.9 in reply to 1.7 

I spent five years of my life telling countries about the standards they needed in order to do business with the EU...

I'm not sure I'd agree that standards are too much of a problem in this instance. I think it is the problem that many developing countries have competitive advantages in certain fields and the least developed have even more of a comparative advantage in labour-intensive industries. If the Quad allowed market access to the least developed in textiles, for example, there are huge political, economic and social issues for India and Pakistan, and others.

I'd be interested in the economics of this.

Ari

 
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From: BillBrant  4/20/2005 8:11 pm 
To: WTOadmin unread  (10 of 29) 
 1.10 in reply to 1.1 

Thank you for this opportunity to respond.  I am presenting a paper at the Oxford Round Table, 31 July-5 August entitled, Professional Ethics: A Must for the Globalized Society of the 21st Century.  In my review of The Future of the WTO, I do not find a chapter on ethics.  I commend you on the chapter and discussion entitled "Transparency and dialogue with civil society."  It is a strong first step toward developing global trust.  However, I believe you will agree that interactions of groups requires ethics.  Common belief elements found in protesters include: (1) distrust of the process, (2) lack of understanding or appreciation of the process, and (3) an adverse effect either direct or indirect, which may be either real or perceived. 

People require trust.  Polls show a significant minority of people do not trust leaders.  Distrust is prompted by scandals, from Enron to the UN Iraq oil for food scandal.  Public trust can be enhanced by ethics.  Unfortunately, a written Ethics Code is not enough.  (Enron had a 65 page Ethics Code that was not followed.)  Ethics is a learned attitude that must be permeated throughout an organization from top to bottom. 

The WTO has the awesome responsibility of developing trust in itself throughout the world.  Ethics must become a priority to further that trust.  I recommend that a program of ethics be made a priority and embodied in detail and practice.  The ethics program should have clear goals that require persons to think, act, and be ethical in the performance of their duties.

Bill Brant

 
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From: politstud  4/20/2005 8:19 pm 
To: ariane121  (11 of 29) 
 1.11 in reply to 1.9 

We must not forget that some poor countries' competitive advantage consists of bad labourconditions, childlabour and neglecting the environment. I do sympathise with their lack of marketaccess, but as we facilitate their entry into the world market in all fields we must not forget the workers who often are paid too little. The competitive advantage is not always a benefit for them.

 
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From: ariane121  4/20/2005 9:11 pm 
To: politstud  (12 of 29) 
 1.12 in reply to 1.11 

Yes - I agree with you to a point but my country has developed in the same way (child labour, environmental problems) and I wonder whether this isn't true of all countries and probably necessary in most? 

At least a comparative advantage in something, and market access somewhere, allows countries to service their debt payments (and that's probably another story).

Ari

 
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From: elly123  4/20/2005 9:19 pm 
To: politstud  (13 of 29) 
 1.13 in reply to 1.11 

 

I agree.

Developing countries( I myself  am from a developing country),  often do not have enough capital to enhance their technology in order to compete on a equal basis with more developed countries, and meet their standards.Some of the stated problems can probably be contributed to bad managment of the economy, but this is not always the case.

 
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From: elly123  4/20/2005 9:32 pm 
To: ariane121  (14 of 29) 
 1.14 in reply to 1.9 

Cost / benefit analysis study of the impact of trade liberalisation for the individual countries?. It has been conducted in some CARICOM Memberstates by CARICOM.

Also the social, cultural and legal impacts schould be included in the study

Schould W.T.O. conduct such a study in relation to India, Pakistan and other member states?



Edited 4/20/2005 9:34 pm by elly123

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From: politstud  4/20/2005 10:23 pm 
To: ariane121  (15 of 29) 
 1.15 in reply to 1.12 

Most developed countries did industrialise in a totally different time. The surrounding world had equally little or less, but today the world surrounding the developing countries are rich and prosperous, and the collected wealth of all nations should be enough to prevent children being exploited horribly, and enough to give parents the possibility to raise their children in safety and to ensure a fair wage for the day's work.

Servicing debt burdens will never justify making 5-year olds make rugs 12 hrs every day until their little fingers bleed and they cry at night alone and afraid, sometimes given up by parents unable to feed them. That story is unwanted and often unheard.

 
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From: seleco  4/21/2005 6:09 am 
To: WTOadmin unread  (16 of 29) 
 1.16 in reply to 1.1 

The ONLY way for a nation to get richer is to GENERATE more income, donations wont solve problems, neither would international organizations, they may help but the individuals.  WTO is about trade and to facilitate transactions between individuals, corporations (they are the ones that trade).

World hunger and war are deeper problem and prosperty helps, BUT, obstructing trade wont help, protectionism has failed.  The problem is that WTO is allowing developed countries to protect themselves (agriculture, subsidies) and leaving developing countries unprotected. If the game is to liberalize, then it truely should do that in all levels, otherwise it wont work.

 
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From: Rsund  4/21/2005 7:16 am 
To: ariane121  (17 of 29) 
 1.17 in reply to 1.4 

Hello
Ariane am not agree what you have written in message

As per WTO clause countries are liable to open their economy to other countries so no question wheather Textiles or Agriculture

Thanks

Waitng your reply

Rsund

 
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From: ariane121  4/21/2005 11:19 am 
To: elly123  (18 of 29) 
 1.18 in reply to 1.14 
It's possible that India and Pakistan have done this for themselves! I think a sectoral evaluation as to how much free market access to textiles from the least-developed countries to the Quad (etc) would affect them would be useful. Having said that, though, I'm not sure that the developed countries would want to grant the ldc's free market access in the area of textiles, nor agriculture, nor steel. I don't think that's right, necessarily, I just don't think it would happen.
 
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From: ariane121  4/21/2005 11:27 am 
To: politstud  (19 of 29) 
 1.19 in reply to 1.15 

Well it's better that they're making rugs than welding.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I also agree with Rights of the Child (how could I not?), but until something is done about the debt then children are going to work. Better that they work in a safer environment and hopefully earn enough to put food in their own mouths.

To my mind, we have to work within the confines of a capitalist society and the West isn't going to want to lose out in order to "prevent children from being exploited horribly" elsewhere. This is the problem that the WTO has.

Ari

 
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From: ariane121  4/21/2005 11:35 am 
To: Rsund  (20 of 29) 
 1.20 in reply to 1.17 

Hi Rsund!

You're right in that they have to allow textiles and agricultural products on the market but there are quotas, tariffs, quality standards and potential anti-dumping actions not to mention import duties thus artificially raising prices. Of course the other problem that many developing countries have is getting the products transported.

Ari

 
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