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| From: | NatalieK | Oct-31 4:18 pm |
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(1 of 13) | | | | 4027.1 | |
Would Bishop Spong consider himself a Secular Humanist? |
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| | | | | 4027.2 in reply to 4027.1 | |
Natalie, I'm not sure what you mean by a Secular Humanist and I do think you might have to ask Bishop Spong that question. I think Bishop Spong tries to be all that he can be, loving wastefully, and seeking the truth. Which is, I suppose, the same for me. The "church" should be all inclusive, and seek God through the "portal of Jesus," or the "lens of Jesus." I for one am not a believer in Jesus as a Saviour, as I believe that God is within me and I just need to delve into my heart and soul more to seek the wisdom that is already there. Welcome to the Spong website!! Judith |
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| | | | | 4027.3 in reply to 4027.1 | |
Hi "NK",
You know, it would be nice if you would care to explain your grasp of the concept called Secular Humanism. To insure we're on the same page, my idea of this new age practise would equate to the rise of Christianity in the world of Judaism; a mish-mash of the occult, paganism, Mithra and Roman political control of a disgruntle and oppressed people. What say you?
The Juanster
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| | | | | 4027.5 in reply to 4027.4 | |
Kel,
After reading some of the foundational premises for Secular Humanism, the context from which I drew my conclusions was from the recent recognition by many former religious thinking "Flat-Earthers" who've seen and accepted the evidence of NASA photos.
What I really wanted to talk to you about is this; being that I place a tremendous store in your ability and knowledge of the Construction and Engineering fields and to analyze concepts, This along with those of G.G. and Kathy's "gut feelings" about this, See If any of this makes sense to you and what (if anything)should be done about it? IMO, it's the most lucid presentation of the events surrounding the collapse of Building #7and the others, that's come down the pike as of yet.
The Juanster
http://www.911review.com/articles/ryan/NIST_WTC7.html
The NIST WTC 7 Report:
Bush Science reaches its peak
Kevin R. Ryan
September 10, 2008
In a famous book by Antoine de Saint Exupery, a little prince from another planet asks the narrator to draw a sheep. After several unsatisfactory attempts, the narrator simply draws a box and tells the little prince that the sheep is in the box. The little prince then exclaims -- "That is exactly the way I wanted it!"1
Just so, the Bush Administration asked its scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) for an explanation as to what happened at the World Trade Center (WTC) on 9/11. In response to this request, NIST drew up a series of fanciful stories over a period of years, each story differing from the previous one. Finally, after seven long years, NIST published its last story for WTC 7 by simply saying, in effect: "The explanation is in our computer."2
As expected, however, this explanation in a box leaves much to be desired for those of us who prefer to live in reality, instead of in a fictional world. On the other hand, we are learning something from NIST with this new report, and that is; that when government scientists begin working for a political agenda above all else, there is no limit to the extent of deception that they will engage in. We also know that those who have produced the NIST WTC reports must now assume personal responsibility for the ongoing 9/11 Wars, and the millions of deaths that will/have resulted from those wars.
NIST begins with a few little white lies, and never looks back |
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| From: | 888 | Nov-2 10:22 pm |
| To: | Juan |
(6 of 13) | | | | 4027.6 in reply to 4027.5 | |
Just so, the Bush Administration asked its scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) for an explanation as to what happened at the World Trade Center (WTC) on 9/11. LOLOL! Talk about drug induced memory loss!!! xoxoKath
Edited 11/2/2009 10:27 pm ET by 888 |
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| | | | | 4027.8 in reply to 4027.5 | |
Juan,
Its always BAD science when any one starts with a premise and then tries to make thier data fit the premise. However thats what passes as science in the late 20th and early 21st century.
The Food industry has done it for years as has so many other governmental and non-governmental agencies. Consequently the General public has little choice but to accept the stamp of some higher agency who says the sky is pink when we can all see its blue.
The only way is to see the data for your self....and many of us can't process that data. For the last twenty or more years it became hip to think that science was only for the geeky kids in school. It was not fashionable to be a Nerd.....the result is a society that can't tell junk science from real science......and they will buy anything.
Kelly |
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| | | | | 4027.9 in reply to 4027.8 | |
Hi Kel,
I resemble this remark; "The only way is to see the data for your self....and many of us can't process that data." Yet, I'm smart enough to know, "I Know Nothing", and when I find one who can process the data, I become the reincarnation of Henry Ford. With that said my friend; Is Nano Thermite fact or fiction, and how did it get into the debri of the WTC? These are the unanswered questions NIST has refused to provide an answer or considered doing the testing for explosives, which is standard procedure to do, where unexplained causes of fires is a possibility. This NIST denial resembles so much the same arguments GG has espoused.
As I continue to look at this, The undenable Bush connection to this tragedy becomes more highly likely everyday. If you trace the history of this whole family, starting with the stolen 2000POTUS election, and follow them back to the antics of Pappy Bush' collaborating with the enemy conviction, what you'll discover is that this family is a hive of hustlers, and has always been. There's nothing too immoral for them to do in their pursuit of the filthy lucre.Why at this late date, should I start believing a Leopard will/can change it's spots? Consult the "Unauthorized Biography of Geo. Bush to get an idea of this family's Nazi connection, Arrogant elitist mindset, and to Margaret Sanger's eugenic pogram. Codex Alementarius and it's Nazi origins fits right in with this Bush mindset of control of the Sub-Human portion of the Plant's inhabitants.
The Juanster |
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| From: | KLATU | Nov-4 8:31 am |
| To: | Juan |
(10 of 13) | | | | 4027.10 in reply to 4027.9 | |
Juan,
Nano-thermite is a reality. None would dispute that. The finer the particles the more rapidly it releases its energy thus causing more devastating explosions. This is not new stuff.
I first saw this demonstrated with magnesium powder when I was in Junior High school. With filings taken from a bar of solid magnesium exposed to a high heat source they began to combust with a light that was brighter than the sun. When much finer particles of magnesium were heated they virtually blew up. Yes it was a very small explosion but enough to demonstrate the volatility.
Thermite is not just two common elements like Aluminum and Iron mixed together. There are many recipes for this stuff. The common thing that they all have though is yeilding extremely bright explosions. Lots of ultraviolet light is emitted.....like the light thats given off from welding....it will damage your eyes just looking at it without something like a welders mask to shield you. Thermite actually needs something like a blasting cap to set it off. Much like C4.
The skin of the Hindenberg was painted with a compound that was inadvertently a form of thermite.....it was set off by a lightening strike.
The military has been experimenting with thermite for many years. The trouble that I have with this is that just because someone reports that traces of the stuff was found in the dust of the world trade center....how do we know that this is true?
The second part that bothers me is that this would have had to have been planned far in advance because its not like you can just throw a package into a janitors closet the day before and be sure that that will be sufficient to drop that building. The careful placement of this material would have had to take place....which would have taken months...if not longer.
One question.....would we as a country have reacted any differently if the buildings still stood after the initial attack? So what more would be accomplished by the dropping of these buildings than if they stood and then had to be repaired. Its still an attack on american soil.
You must know by now that I am no lover of the Bush Crime Family....nor am I an apologist for them. There is certainly a large swath of Americans who love Machiavellian type politicians those who would stop at nothing to push a political agenda. I honestly do not know if there was any criminal activity has taken place.
It surely seems like they had motive....and perhaps opportunity....but until we see conclusive proof....and I suspect we will never see it....we have to live wth this. Believe me nothing would make me happier than to see D!ck Cheney and GW along with Carl Rove and Paul Wolfowitz and Rummy....all do the perp walk into Levenworth Federal Penitentiary....to do Life without possibilty of Parole.
Its easy enough to say that there is thermite in the rubble.....I'd like to see a few PDF or JPEG documents with an assayers signature and a notary stamp clearly visible on them.
Kelly |
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