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From: Juan  Oct-25 3:51 am 
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Tackling Terrorism

Wednesday, 14 October 2009

Edited extracts from his recent interview with Channel 4’s Jon Snow

The lesson is that terrorism has causes ? unless the causes are addressed; you’re not facing the problem. Now a lot of it is criminal activity, and criminal activity should be punished in the legal system fairly and honestly. But unless you address the grievances, you are more or less in the position of a doctor who’s injecting a patient with poison and then asking what’s the best way to deal with the symptoms.

That doesn’t make any sense — first stop administering the poison. There were real grievances in Northern Ireland and Britain had a substantial responsibility for them. When Britain finally stopped responding to terror with more violence, and responded to terror by addressing the grievances, there was substantial amelioration.

The response to September 11

After 9/11 there was overwhelming sympathy for the United States, including inside the jihadi movement. There were fatwas coming out?condemning Osama bin Laden. How did the US respond? By alienating the people who were sympathising. By invading Afghanistan and Iraq and energising the support for terror.

That’s injecting the patient with poison. Now they’re surprised there’s an increase in terror. The response to 9/11 — as historian Michael Howard pointed out almost straight away — should have been: it’s criminal, let’s try to identify the culprits, bring them to justice and give them fair trials.

The Bush administration refused. It’s possible that they might have been able to extradite al-Qaida and bin Laden. In fact the Taliban made ambiguous offers of extradition if the US provided evidence, which of course any country would do. The Bush administration rejected that attempt, and [said] we’re going to bomb you because you’re not handing him over to us. Well that’s a major crime that welded the jihadi movement back together; the invasion of Iraq completed the task of reconstructing a massive worldwide terrorist movement.

Non-violent resistance in Iraq

As late as November 2007 the official US position as stated by Bush was that any Status of Forces Agreement would have to permit an indefinite US military presence, including of course huge military bases all over, and a privileged role for US investors.

A couple of months later, Bush was compelled to back down on all of that and, at least on paper, accept withdrawal. Well, these are tremendous victories for non-violent resistance. The US could kill insurgents, but they couldn’t deal with hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating in the streets.

The US approach to Iran

If someone was watching this from Mars, they’d collapse in ridicule. The United States is telling Iran to stop its aggressive militarism? I mean we occupy two countries on their border, US spending on arms is approximately equal to the rest of the world combined, we’re threatening them with attack and violation of the UN Charter and on and on. Iran hasn’t invaded anyone for, probably, centuries, except for two Arab islands that the Shah conquered with the support of the United States.

Israel’s security problems

Israel’s invasion of Gaza in January hadn’t the slightest pretext. They claim they had to defend themselves against rockets and that’s accepted by human rights groups and fairly generally, but it’s perfect nonsense. You don’t have a right to use force in self-defence unless you’ve exhausted peaceful means. They could have accepted a ceasefire for the first time ever.

When they partially accepted one for a few months in 2008 there were no Hamas rockets. They do not have a security problem, except for what they are creating, so as long as they choose expansion over security, they’re going to have a security problem.

Barack Obama’s burden of expectations

If Barack Obama fails to live up to expectations, there are two possibilities. Kennedy also generated enormous enthusiasm, and he quickly disappointed the expectations. He had a good propaganda apparatus, but if you look at what he did, he was maybe one of the most dangerous presidents of the 20th century.

But the energy that was generated then turned into something quite constructive: the activism of the 1960s. Kennedy certainly did not support the civil rights movement, but it was inspired by the rhetoric and it went on and ultimately he had to sign on to it. That’s one possibility.

The other possibility is cynicism. The constructive choice is going to have to be based on a realistic understanding of what is happening, not the illusions based on marketing.

The US democratic deficit

The irrelevance of popular opinion in the US is quite dramatic. Take the leading domestic issue right now, which is healthcare; it’s a catastrophe. The debate that’s going on is in fact surreal in many ways, not just Sarah Palin and the death panels, but there was a front-page story in the New York Times, reporting that the Obama administration had made a secret deal with the pharmaceutical industry in which it promised not to allow the government to use its purchasing power to negotiate drug prices, as is done in every other country and as, for example, the Pentagon can do for buying paper clips.

But it’s legally barred in the United States and that’s the major reason why drug prices are twice as high as in most of the world. About 85% of the population think we should negotiate drug prices – but they’re not even mentioned, in fact I don’t think you can even find a report of the polls.

Progress in South America

It’s commonly said that one of the faults of the Bush administration was that they didn’t pay attention to Latin America. That’s probably one of the greatest boons to Latin America. If the United States would stop paying attention to them, the way it does pay attention to them, they would at least have a little window for maybe moving forward.

The US supports democracy if and only if it conforms to strategic and economic interests. In fact, what’s been happening in South America is quite impressive.

For the first time in hundreds of years, South America is beginning at least to face some of its huge problems. In fact, in many ways, it’s the most exciting region of the world.

The lack of action on climate change

The climate catastrophe will mostly harm the poorer countries. It’ll be pretty awful for everyone — Boston may go under water for example — but the rich countries have ways of dealing with it. The poor countries don’t.

The rich countries have to make a choice: are we going to choose a future in which our grandchildren can survive, or are we going to choose short-term profit for the corporate sector? So far, overwhelmingly, it’s the latter.

The state of human rights

I’ve always been more or less an optimist, which means starting from a very low level of expectation. I think if you look at the trajectory over a longer period, includ...[Message truncated]
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From: 19326992 judith  Oct-27 10:40 am 
To: Juan  (2 of 5) 
 4017.2 in reply to 4017.1 

Juan,

"If Barack Obama fails to live up to expectations. . ." Don't you think that no matter what Obama does there will always be gripes.

Don't you get sick and tired of all the rhetoric? Rome wasn't built or destroyed in a day. . . the thing that gets me the most, is the negativism that people say about him. I happen to think he is his own man. He likes to give each side the opportunity to express their views, no matter what the issues, and he likes compromise. I don't think there was ever any other president (maybe Clinton), that seemed so confident on the outside. Of course, I can't speak for inside the man. But certainly, Clinton and Obama have been the smartest presidents, but then I don't know that much about many of the presidents before the 1940s. I'm not a history buff.

After reading four books on Obama, I have come to really respect the man.
But then, like what you posted about nuclear issues, I don't know why we (The U.S.A.) thinks we're the ones to tell other countries what to do. We talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. There are so many nuclear weapons stockpiled in this country, we would all be amazed. Then we go on to tell Iraq what to do. I don't get that sort of reasoning. "Do as I say, not as I do."

For every problem there is an answer as long as our egos don't get in the way. Or as long as our greed doesn't take over. That is what I see in this country. A few ruin it for the many.

Judith

 
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From: Juan  Oct-27 6:41 pm 
To: 19326992 judith unread  (3 of 5) 
 4017.3 in reply to 4017.2 

Hi"J',

 The concept of Incorporating was,t drempt up by the persons  this writer is talking about. Yet it's as old as the the idea of a Flat Earth. When "We-the- People was penned into the Constitution, the group below were't who was being spoken about, yet they made up the majority living on these shores.

   See if you can accept this history and see where you fit, in the scheme of things? http://openlibrary.org/a/OL37722A/Peter_Wilson_Coldham

The Juanster

THE COMPLETE BOOK OF EMIGRANTS IN BONDAGE, 1614-1775. Peter W. Coldham. Between 1614 and 1775 some 50,000 English men, women, and children were sentenced by judicial process to be sent to the American colonies for a variety of crimes. The data on these involuntary colonists came from a variety of official records which the author of this work spent over fifteen years studying. Among those covered were minutes of eleven Courts of Assize and Jail Delivery and of twenty-eight Courts of Quarter Session, as well as Treasury Papers, Money Books, Patent Rolls, State Papers, and Session Papers. The names of those deported are printed in alphabetical order and form what can be considered the largest passenger list of its kind ever published. The data presented in this volume is highly condensed but most entries include some or all of the following information: parish of origin, sentencing court, nature of the offense, date of sentence, date and ship on which transported, date and place landed in America, and the English county in which the sentence was passed. 920 pp. Balto., 1988. [GP1098] $60.00

SUPPLEMENT TO THE COMPLETE BOOK OF EMIGRANTS IN BONDAGE, 1614-1775. Peter W. Coldham. This supplement to GP1098 is derived from material which had either escaped detection during the first round of researches or had become available through the use of newly-opened archives. The roughly 3,000 new entries herein, which include data similar to that in the original, are derived from the following principal classes of records: Patent Rolls, 1655-1719; Criminal Correspondence, 1718-1775; State Papers (Criminal); Quarter Session Records; Docket Books, 1722-1753; and a collection of bonds entered into with transportation contractors. Anyone owning the original edition will find it essential to acquire the supplement. 60 pp. Balto., 1992. [GP1115] $9.00

EMIGRANTS IN CHAINS. A SOCIAL HISTORY OF FORCED EMIGRATION TO THE AMERICAS OF FELONS, DESTITUTE CHILDREN, POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS NON-CONFORMISTS, VAGABONDS, BEGGARS AND OTHER UNDESIRABLES, 1607-1776. . Peter W. Coldham. Peter Wilson Coldham. Few colonizing powers can have relied so heavily and consistently on the wholesale deportation of their prison population as did England through two-and-a-half centuries of imperial expansion. By the time America made her Declaration of Independence in 1776, the prisons of England had disgorged some 50,000 of their inmates to the colonies, most of them destined to survive and, with their descendants, to populate the land of their exile. In a story largely untold until now--certainly never told as well--Coldham's groundbreaking study demonstrates once and for all that the recruitment of labor for the American colonies was achieved in large measure through the emptying of English jails, workhouses, brothels, and houses of correction. Supported by a massive array of documentary evidence and first-hand testimony, the book focuses on the emergence and use of transportation as a means of dealing with an unwanted population, dwelling at length on the processes involved, the men charged with the administration of the system of transportation or engaged in transportation as a business, then proceeding with a fascinating look at the transportees themselves, their lives and hapless careers, and their reception in the colonies. The whole unhappy saga of enforced transportation is here recounted with such force and eloquence that it is bound to set some popular notions about the peopling of the American colonies on their head. 188 pp. 2nd printing Balto., 1994. [GP1109] $21.95

 
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From: 19326992 judith  Oct-27 8:22 pm 
To: Juan  (4 of 5) 
 4017.4 in reply to 4017.3 

Juan,

I'm really not interested in going back that far. Two of my daughter-in-laws ancestry goes back to "daughters of the American Revolution." My husband's side does too. I believe there was someone named "Ball" in his heritage.

Both my grandmother and grandfather on my mother's side came from the Cornwall area in England and emigrated to Harrisburg, PA, in the late 1800s and my mother was born there in 1909 and then her family moved to Detroit.

On my dad's side, his father came from Bordeaux, France and emigrated to Quebec, Canada, and my grandmother was from Ireland. I don't know where, however and I don't know how they met.

My mother passed on to me two volumes of her side of the family that she bought from the Smithsonian Institute. In fact, one of her relatives was a John Smithson, and it was a John Smithson who left the money for the Smithsonian. I've never really looked into that.

I have history dating back to the 14th century on my dad's side - however, it's in the French language. It shows pictures of several Bishops in the Roman Catholic Church.

All of it is irrelevant to me.

Judith

 
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From: Juan  Oct-28 12:01 am 
To: 19326992 judith unread  (5 of 5) 
 4017.5 in reply to 4017.4 

Hi "J",

   Here's what makes it relevant to you and the majority of the American White population; "Descendancy". This Coldham fella discovered that the majority of American's ancestors were forced to immigrate by an order of the English courts or be Hung, whereas some volunteered to be indentured for a number of years in the colonies. Here's what I'm getting at; Any and all of those people were unwanted amongst the British Elite and monied society  and was gotten rid of by dumping them in the colonies as undesirables and less than what that society considered an asset to the English Nation. As I said in my post "Is This A Christian Mindset?" The Elite of Great Britian had a tendancy of classifying folk that worked and toiled for a living as Sub Human and unfit to breathe the same air as their betters. Today, that same mindset persists amonst many that do not know this history or supress it. See my post #4018.1 

The Juanster

 
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