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From: goodguy  Oct-7 2:13 pm 
To: 888  (3 of 52) 
 3992.3 in reply to 3992.2 

Dear Kath,

I think that the "Bushwackers" are sleazy enough to do something like 9-11, but I find the scenario of an administration-orchestrated 9-11 improbable to the point of absurdity.

We went through the physics of the collapsing building in great detail, if you'll recall and I showed how the inelasticity of the building would offer little if any resistance to the downward energy of nine stories and the accumulated rubble and momentum of more. Once the collapse is started, the "crumple zone" is a "crumble zone". The building is designed to sway horizontally but to be rigid vertically. Like a piece of China, once it breaks, it shatters. The exploding airplane fuel melts the reinforcing rods in a significant section, allowing an uninhibited head-start. From then on, the vertical rebar carries the shock down into the next parts and crumbles them leaving nothing holding up these nine stories of mass. Note that what got to the ground was mostly fine dust. If it had been exploded, it would have flown horizontally in large chunks, not sunk in a huge pile of dust.

The ensuing investigation would have found the residue of the C4 or whatever explosive was used as well. This could NOT have been covered up. Forensics were used and they did not find evidence to substantiate your claims. Believe me, they could not have all been bought off; not with the feelings of the American people after this incident running so high.

The Bushwackers DID orchestrate the invasion of Kuwait and the ensuing "Desert Shield" and "Desert Storm"; that is fairly clear through transcripts of their ambassador's (April Glaspie's) meeting with the Iraqi leader just prior to the Kuwait invasion, but only by lying to Saddam Hussein who obligingly believed that they were neutral in the dispute.

A conspiracy involving enough people to destroy two buildings timed in just the right sequence to correspond to the arrival of two airplanes and at the exact points of impact is improbable to the point of absurdity.

Bush Jr couldn't have pulled it off at the right time in the right place WITHOUT secrecy. To pull 1 let alone 2 such demolitions synchronized with crashing aircraft isn't a scenario ANYONE would bet their life and political future on. Remember, if caught or snitched on, the Pres. goes to jail for murder. Not a good idea.

I believe Roosevelt knew about the Pearl Harbor invasion beforehand and chose not to alert his troops.

This is different than sending secret demolition teams into an American building to coordinate a collapse with the actual arrival of two airplanes hijacked by terrorists.

I studied engineering in college for 3-1/2 years. I also have considerable experience in concrete work. I'm not ignorant.

I also studied probabilities in college. For a sitting President to bet his life on such an absurdly improbable scenario is ridiculous.

Additionally, I saw the tape of his session with the schoolchildren in Florida right after being informed of the incident. He wasn't prepared and looked stupid and unpresidential for quite a while. If he had known about this and orchestrated it, he would not have been caught unprepared on tape when informed about it.

Finally, the person who DID orchestrate this, Muhammad Atta, DID have a Masters Degree in Architecture. He knew approximately what the plane would do to the building.

It's like the machinations of Johnny Cochran for O. J. Simpson. Each link may be possible, but the entire chain of events involving a conspiracy becomes ludicrous.

Love,
Dave

 
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From: 888  Oct-7 2:21 pm 
To: goodguy  (4 of 52) 
 3992.4 in reply to 3992.3 

Dear Dave,

There are many architects and engineers that disagree with you.

Love,

Kath

 
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From: goodguy  Oct-7 2:36 pm 
To: 888  (5 of 52) 
 3992.5 in reply to 3992.4 

Dear Kath,

You say, "There are many architects and engineers that disagree with you." I can live with that.

I also know that there are many experts who have studied this in great detail and who have come to agree with me.

If nothing else, presume that Bush orchestrated 9/11 and then watch the tapes of his being informed of it and see if this makes sense.

Human nature being what it is, I think that a man in charge of an incredibly daring operation would not be stunned when informed of its complete success.

Love,
Dave

 
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From: goodguy  Oct-7 2:58 pm 
To: 888  (6 of 52) 
 3992.6 in reply to 3992.4 

Dear Kath,

One last thing.

You're accusing the President of the murder of lots of innocent people for the purpose of making an act of terrorism and murder more spectacular.

If the buildings had not collapsed, the people on the aircraft would still be dead and a significant number of people in the buildings would be dead or injured. The buildings might have to be demolished anyway and at least the upper portions of it somehow dismantled without further injury.

The motive for this crime doesn't justify its huge risks.

Love,
Dave

 
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From: 888  Oct-7 3:10 pm 
To: goodguy  (7 of 52) 
 3992.7 in reply to 3992.5 

Dear GG,

Bushwacker might have been surprised (because he might have been kept in the dark and rightfully so) but Rumsfeld wasn't.

I'm in very good company with my conclusions as are you.

Let's just agree to disagree.

xoKath

 
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From: 888  Oct-7 3:14 pm 
To: goodguy  (8 of 52) 
 3992.8 in reply to 3992.6 

Two more things. I said the Bushwacker ADMINISTRATION. Not he himself. He couldn't orchestrate his way from the men's room. But in reality, this goes beyond any administration. It's called the New World Order.

Also, I had put the question to you and others before yet no one seems to know the reply. If 911 wasn't an inside job, how do you explain Tower 7 going down in the same manner without any planes having hit it and within a very short time of the twin towers?

As to your last question, it's obvious you haven't listened to very many of the links to evidence regarding this. I encourage you to do so GG, but honestly, it's not important for me to convince you.

Love
Kath

Edited 10/7/2009 3:16 pm ET by 888



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From: KLATU  Oct-7 3:19 pm 
To: goodguy  (9 of 52) 
 3992.9 in reply to 3992.1 

Hi Dave,

I just thought you might like to see this page concerning the Justice Act which seeks to over turn the Patriot Act. Russ Feingold is one of the sponsors of the bill.

http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/repeal_patriot_act/

Bests

Kelly

 
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From: KLATU  Oct-7 3:47 pm 
To: 888  (10 of 52) 
 3992.10 in reply to 3992.7 

Hi Kath,

There is a lot of compelling examples of the possiblity of conspiracy in the Loose Change video. As you know I was in that camp for a while believing that Bush knew about it....even planned it. Now I am not so sure. I have become Agnostic about it.

I really believe that if anyone had solid evidence there are lots of News outlets that would sieze the opportunity to be first with the proof. As it is, most legitimate reporters who have mentioned it in public have mentioned it with disdain.

I do strongly believe there is duplicity and inneptness on the part of Bush. He I think was used by Rummy and Cheney....but who knows maybe one day there will surface something that is incontrovertible....that without a shadow of a doubt spells conspiracy all over it.

Lets face it there can be as minimal as two people agreeing to do something that constitutes conspiracy there may have been many sub plots all during the Bush administration.....but I don't think there is enough to tie all the subplots together...into one master plot. I doubt George was smart enough to concoct anything mutifacited and complex as one would have to do to make the 911 conspiracy work.

Thats not to say George didn't do some really despicable things as president.

I await further evidence.

xoKel 

 
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From: goodguy  Oct-7 3:58 pm 
To: KLATU  (11 of 52) 
 3992.11 in reply to 3992.9 

Dear Kelly,

I have hopes that the "Patriot Act" will die ... if not in Congress, then on the President's desk.

I'm not sure we want to muddy the waters with additional legislation, no matter how well-intentioned.

Dave

 
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From: 888  Oct-7 5:00 pm 
To: KLATU unread  (12 of 52) 
 3992.12 in reply to 3992.10 

Hi Kelly,

I'm not going to contine this line of conversation since, as I said to GG, I really have no concern about who does or does not agree with me on this. And as I said, there are many experts in my camp, so that's good enough for me. And I disagree that there are no facts or 'proof' to support the conspiracy theory. All one has to do is actually spend some time (as much as I have at least) in listening and watching the videos which relay the facts. No one seems to be able to answer the question I have continually posed to conspiracy debunkers either.

Do you actually think mainstream media would be allowed to speculate on the side of the 'theorists'? Not on your life. Our media is owned by the govt, big business and big pharma (also big business).

We could take this to doomsday and not disagree, so with all due respect, I'm outta here.

Kath

 
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