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From: JBunting  Nov-1 7:13 pm 
To: ALL  (1 of 44) 
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week? They ran the ball and got the lead and then got WRs open and were able to run the ball more. Why can't they just do this every week. They ran the ball late last year even when it didn't work and still went on a hot streak. Just run the F-ING BALL!

BTW, I'm still cautiously optimistic. The Eagles caught the Giants on a horrible day. They'll probably regroup and start playing well again. They have too many good players to keep this up. And there are still at least a handful of teams that are better than the Eagles right now. But they always improve in the second half. We'll see.

Sports aren't meant to be about hatred. The rival loves the game just like you do. Don't hate the rival. Love the rivalry.

 
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From: CouchKing  Nov-1 8:06 pm 
To: JBunting  (2 of 44) 
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Why didn't we run the ball against the Raiders?

We'd be 6-1 and a game ahead in first place if we just took care of business.

 
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From: BEESTE  Nov-1 8:13 pm 
To: CouchKing  (3 of 44) 
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Coulda shoulda woulda...

We beat the Raiders, who knows what happens in Washington or this week. We only know what we have at the moment, at I like what I see right now.

Jesus hates the Yankees

 
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From: JBunting  Nov-1 8:47 pm 
To: CouchKing  (4 of 44) 
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They definitely should have ran the ball against the Raiders. They should have been able to beat them anyway. They played horrible and deserved to lose. I just hope the Oline keeps it up and stays healthy.

I learned last year to just stay on an even keel. I gave up on them twice last year. Before the Thanksgiving AZ game and again when they didn't run the ball in DC. It's just not worth it to me to get too upset or too happy until they are either mathematically eliminated or they win the SB.

Sports aren't meant to be about hatred. The rival loves the game just like you do. Don't hate the rival. Love the rivalry.

 
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From: TheRealMcKoy  Nov-1 8:48 pm 
To: JBunting  (5 of 44) 
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Hopefully they go back to passing.

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From: AndyS  Nov-1 9:11 pm 
To: JBunting  (6 of 44) 
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Just think, if we ran the ball against the Raiders, we'd have only one loss.

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From: JBunting  Nov-1 9:55 pm 
To: AndyS  (7 of 44) 
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They would have beaten the Raiders if they had played better or ran the ball. But that loss isn't that bad in the long run. I feel like it keeps them from getting over confident. And I think playing at your best too early always doesn't turn out well in the end. These days, if you start out really hot, you never win the SB unless you cheat like the Pats. Every other team in the last 10 or 12 years has won the SB by getting hot late. There are theories of why this always happens but for whatever reason, it's true.

Sports aren't meant to be about hatred. The rival loves the game just like you do. Don't hate the rival. Love the rivalry.

 
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From: DARTH31  Nov-1 10:46 pm 
To: JBunting  (8 of 44) 
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Look, why don't you run happy people get it? They run when they get the lead. They always run when they get the lead. They didn't win because they ran. They ran because they were winning.

They pass 60% of the time. They had thrown the ball 4 out of 7 times, or about the same ratio they usually have, as of the time they jumped out to the two touchdown lead. That's what they do. The numbers support that. Numbers don't lie. That's what they always do. Why don't you run obsessed people get that? They didn't win because they ran. They won because they executed.

 
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From: JBunting  Nov-1 11:15 pm 
To: DARTH31  (9 of 44) 
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Here's another number that doesn't lie dude. They ran the ball somewhere around the league average last year starting at Thanksgiving. They won every game until they stopped running the ball against a crappy Skins team and they lost. Then they started running the ball again and won their next 3. They also got the lead today by running the ball with a guy that had 4 carries on the season up to that point. We are coming up on SB 44 or 45. How many of those teams that won had a rinky dink once in a while running game like the Eagles usually do in September and October?

You're giving me the impression that you think we are all of inferior knowledge of the sport by saying "why don't you obsessed people get it?" I think that is a little bit silly IMO. I played football for 10 years and coached a few years too. I consider myself reasonably knowledgeable of the sport. But I don't think I'm smarter than you or anyone else on the forum. We're just exchanging opinions here. Executing helps. But it's not unreasonable to think that a balanced attack can lead to success. I don't have a problem with coming out passing and trying to get a lead. But if you do it every week, the other team will be ready for it. Look what happened when they mixed in a few runs early today.

Why wouldn't you run the ball against the Raiders and give guys like Seymour a chance to win the game? They are good against the pass and bad against the run. Why would you take that approach? AR has admitted that he should run the ball more on multiple occasions. He just chooses not to while calling the game. Sorry for the rant. Just making my point. No hostility intended.

Sports aren't meant to be about hatred. The rival loves the game just like you do. Don't hate the rival. Love the rivalry.

 
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From: willie_p  Nov-1 11:28 pm 
To: JBunting  (10 of 44) 
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We caught the Gnats on a horrible day? Please stop with the myth that the Giants are that good. Their secondary is a train wreck. Eli, without Plaxico is very average. We have beaten them three straight times, two on their home turf. Did we catch them on a horrible days three times in a row? They were 5-2 because they were feasting off the same terrible teams we have been beating. The only thing that would have kept this game close would have been another sub par performance from the O line and DMac.
 
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From: JBunting  Nov-1 11:38 pm 
To: willie_p  (11 of 44) 
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Well momentum played a huge part in this game. Eli threw a couple really bad passes in this game. The one to Samuel really gave the Eagles a huge advantage. He's usually better than that. And the Giants D doesn't usually play the run this poorly. We can't expect them to give up a long TD to Weaver every time. And they are typically great on the road. The Eagles played really well and I don't want to take that away from them. But they probably won't blow them out from the beginning next time. The Giants look average right now. But I think it's silly to think they can't play better than that.

Sports aren't meant to be about hatred. The rival loves the game just like you do. Don't hate the rival. Love the rivalry.

 
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From: krukster  Nov-1 11:39 pm 
To: JBunting  (12 of 44) 
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Reid's dumber than a chair.
 
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From: DARTH31  Nov-1 11:46 pm 
To: JBunting  (13 of 44) 
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The problem is you're looking at the run stats at the end of the game. You're not looking at the running stats until they have what they consider to be a comfortable lead, which is when they then go to the run game. You also have to look at individual matchups, what they see on film, what the other team gives them, etc... It's not as simple as, "They ran today so they won."

This town is abnormally obsessed with running. It's like when you go to a Flyers game and they're abnormally obsessed with shooting. "Shoot it!!!!" they yell every time a Flyer gets the puck. I think Mike Richards, Claude Giroux, etc... know better than the average fan whether a pass or a shot is better in a given situation, just like the winningest coach in franchise history understands better than the average fan and writer whether a run or pass is better in a given situation.

 
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From: willie_p  Nov-1 11:54 pm 
To: JBunting  (14 of 44) 
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I agree about the momentum. The early pick probably turned a close game into a rout. However, I think Eli has now thrown six picks in the last three weeks. The Eagles have always been able to run on the Giants when they set their minds to it. The problem has usually been containing their pass rush. I don't think we will blow them out the next time around, but I do feel that right now the Eagles are a better team.
 
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From: JBunting  Nov-2 12:16 am 
To: DARTH31 unread  (15 of 44) 
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I think my last rant should have explained that I understand that running the ball doesn't automatically make you win the game. But if passing almost every down isn't working, you need to try something else. If you have a balanced attack, it is obviously harder for the defense to predict what you'll do next and react to it. The defensive line can't go balls out after the QB every play. The safeties can't just sit back in coverage all day. Play action is also more effective. I understand the concept of individual match ups. I understand that running the ball can protect a lead. If someone like the Raiders sucks against the run, you should try to run the ball. I don't feel I'm run happy or unreasonable. I like AR, for a lot of reasons but he needs to run the ball more often.

If you have Peyton Manning or Brady and Moss or Brees or whatever, you can rationalize passing the ball a lot. Why do those teams still run the ball more than us over the years? McNabb has some good qualities but it is clear he is a streaky passer especially on short passes. When he's having a bad day and not getting good protection, you need to run the ball more IMO.

Sports aren't meant to be about hatred. The rival loves the game just like you do. Don't hate the rival. Love the rivalry.

 
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From: JBunting  Nov-2 12:17 am 
To: willie_p  (16 of 44) 
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Agreed.

Sports aren't meant to be about hatred. The rival loves the game just like you do. Don't hate the rival. Love the rivalry.

 
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From: Phildogs1  Nov-2 8:24 am 
To: JBunting  (17 of 44) 
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Honestly, if you really watched that game, you have to be cautiously optimistic over the way we played.

The Giants looked like Detroit. Our return game was on. Our receivers were wide open. There was no pressure on the QB. Eli was horrible.

Great great win. We did what we were supposed to do. But...

It was too easy. You have to question if it was us being great or the Giants being terrible.

(Probably a little of both)

Don't be afraid of Kolb. It's only progress.

Change the QB or Change the OFFENSE!

 
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From: Chris54s  Nov-2 8:27 am 
To: ALL  (18 of 44) 
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Did anyone expect him to be happy? I am.

 
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From: JBunting  Nov-2 9:03 am 
To: Phildogs1  (19 of 44) 
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Yeah well, the Eagles came out firing on all cylinders and ran the Giants off early. The Giants defense sucked today and let the Eagles run away with it. The Eagles defense played well but Eli sure didn't help himself.

Sports aren't meant to be about hatred. The rival loves the game just like you do. Don't hate the rival. Love the rivalry.

 
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From: Phildogs1  Nov-2 9:10 am 
To: JBunting  (20 of 44) 
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Hey, I'll take the win anyway I can.

But their entire team looked terrible. Did we make them look that way? IDK

From the first play of the game, their entire team looked slow to me. It was really confirmed when our FB ran for a 41 yard TD.

Don't be afraid of Kolb. It's only progress.

Change the QB or Change the OFFENSE!

 
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